Friday, August 29th, 2008 07:00 pm

... I still say that both of our Presidential candidates suck.  (And that's in the "wet farts out of dead pigeons" way, not the good way.)

But I gotta admit, after today's perhaps-surprising news, I think our Vice-Presidential choices — or the Republican one, at least — just got a whole lot better.  Sarah Palin appears to be sane, honest, and fiscally responsible, and she's not afraid to out corrupt members of her own party.  She cleaned house in the Alaska state legislature.  Further, it looks as though she stands by her principles, but is willing to calmly accept being overruled or proven wrong, and she's not afraid to publicly change her mind.¹  Her approval ratings in Alaska are frequently in the 90s.  When she ran for Mayor of Wasilla in 1996, she made a campaign promise to cut her own salary — and kept it.  Then when she ran for Governor of Alaska in 2006, she made a campaign promise to sell the IAI Westwind II executive jet purchased (on state government credit) by the Murkowski administration ... and kept that promise, too.

I mean, DAMN!  Can't we, you know, swap the ticket around and make McCain VP?  C'mon, folks, our first female President doesn't HAVE to be a Democrat.

[1]  "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.  With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do.  He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall.  Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day." — Self-Reliance, Ralph Waldo Emerson, 1841

Friday, August 29th, 2008 11:07 pm (UTC)


I've been wondering all the Dems I know have been so jubilant about Palin's nomination, like it was the death blow to the GOP ticket.

Although, if we were going to get into the naughty business of veep swapping, I'd like to see Obama/Palin.

I hate Biden.


Friday, August 29th, 2008 11:25 pm (UTC)
I hate Biden.
Take a number! ;)
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 12:51 am (UTC)

Take a number!

Line starts behind me. No cutting!

Saturday, August 30th, 2008 10:01 am (UTC)
Just look at them and say what I do...

"You know, Bush has the lowest approval rating of any President in history - and Congress currently has a 9% approval rating - so technically, the Democrats should've been able to run a fricking tree stump for President and had a shoo-in... yet currently, the polls have Obama & McCain pretty much even. Maybe you're not as clued into what's really going on as you think."

:)
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 02:34 pm (UTC)
Excellent point.
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 08:36 pm (UTC)


nice!
Friday, August 29th, 2008 11:09 pm (UTC)
I mean, DAMN! Can't we, you know, swap the ticket around and make McCain VP? C'mon, folks, our first female President doesn't HAVE to be a Democrat.

That would positively rock my socks off.
Friday, August 29th, 2008 11:20 pm (UTC)
I'm not so sure she's as squeaky-clean as she's being presented.

For starters this (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/29/palin-corruption-investigation/), if true, is a disturbing abuse of power.

She also appears to be a bit shorter on experience than Obama, especially in the foreign policy area. Sort of a new Dan Quayle.
Friday, August 29th, 2008 11:27 pm (UTC)
The key words there are "if true". She denies the accusation, and her administration is cooperating fully with the investigation.

(Actually, let me restate that: As noted in that article, she has released tapes corroborating that aides or staffers of hers did pressure the Public Safety Department. She has denied that her firing of Public Safety Commissioner Monegan had anything to do with the issue, and in fact she offered him the position of executive director of the state ABC board. She has further denied that she instigated the pressure, and she took disciplinary action against a staffer who tried to play the family-issue card with Monegan. Time will tell what the truth of the whole thing is.)

I'm sure she's not perfectly squeaky clean. No-one is. Everyone has flaws. But hers seem minor compared to just about any other player on the board.
Friday, August 29th, 2008 11:41 pm (UTC)
Might want to check out the additional details (http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/271870.php).

Oh, and as for foreign policy experience, she's the governor of a state surrounded by foreign countries. And she's had infinitely more executive experience than Obama, as any number divided by zero equals infinity.
Friday, August 29th, 2008 11:51 pm (UTC)
HOLY CRAP, he tasered his own 11-year-old son?!? Damn. He's lucky to just get fired. In most states he'd be facing felony child abuse charges.

And DUI in a patrol car ... yeah, this guy was clearly a real credit to the Force. (Not.)
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 12:25 am (UTC)
Well, that's what the Palins said during a custody dispute. We all know that everyone tells the truth during custody disputes. An overview can be found here (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/palin_probe_could_mean_election.php).
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 03:24 pm (UTC)
Hey! He got 10 WHOLE DAYS SUSPENDED for that!

Well, the Union knocked that down to 5, but still!

The System Works!!!
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 04:42 am (UTC)
Also, let's face it- until two years ago, she was mayor of a 6,000 person hamlet.

Saturday, August 30th, 2008 05:25 am (UTC)
Which is still more elected executive experience than either Obama or Biden have.

Gonna have to do better than that.
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 12:13 am (UTC)
Of course, she also seems to be a religious fanatic like W. Bush. And her executive job credit prior to becoming governor on the anything-but-the-last-corrupt-guy ticket was mayor of a city of 5500 people.
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 12:28 am (UTC)
Her executive experience is still greater than McCain + Obama + Biden. Governor of a state over twice the size of Texas, surrounded by foreign countries, should count for something.
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 12:44 am (UTC)
If moose could vote, maybe--the state's population is about 20% more than the city of Seattle. And I've heard that the Canadian border is very troublesome. After running a successful Democratic Presidential bid, I don't think we can say that Obama lacks executive experience any more, either.
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 01:12 am (UTC)
Uhhh .... I'm sorry, but I just can't let that one go. Running a Presidential nomination campaign, even a successful one, does not, in any way, shape or form, constitute executive experience, any more than applying for a job with UBS Warburg and getting an interview constitutes experience in international finance.

Remember, too, Alaska is a lot closer to Siberia than to any part of the continental United States.
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 02:06 am (UTC)
And most of Minnesota is under water. You can pick nits with almost any state. Simple fact: She has been governor for two years. No other candidate or VP choice can make a claim of executive experience on that level.

Running a campaign, where most of the people like and support you, is far different from leading a government, where there are vocal people who oppose you and want you to change. I am not saying Obama can't cut it as president. But, the simple fact is, he does not have government executive experience. (Neither does McCain.)

(I was actually leaning toward Obama until he picked Biden for a running mate. Biden is poison to the issues I care about in government. If you thought King George was bad...)
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 04:35 am (UTC)
... they refueled that nit before they realized it wasn't an airplane.

I'm sure that Obama was really feeling the love from Hilary Clinton's supporters--not!
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 12:36 am (UTC)
Of course, she also seems to be a religious fanatic like W. Bush.
Debatable. She weighed in saying that both creationism and evolution should be on school curricula, yes ... then reversed her position and said that creationism did not need to be on the curriculum, and that she certainly would not use creationism/evolution views as a criterion for selection for the Board of Education.
And she's pro-life, like many other people, but unlike Dubya, does not believe that contraception is De Debbil.
Then, she's personally opposed to gay marriage; but she vetoed a bill that would have barred the State from granting same-sex benefits to gay couples, after consulting with the State AG and being advised that it was probably unconstitutional. Now, you can take that as "she only vetoed it because the AG said she had to", but it could just as well be "Wait a minute here, can we even DO this?"
Seems to me she has a clear religious viewpoint, but refuses to allow her religious views to get in the way of doing her job as objectively and fairly as she can. And really, what more can you ask than that?

And her executive job credit prior to becoming governor on the anything-but-the-last-corrupt-guy ticket was mayor of a city of 5500 people.
In which, as she has in the State legislature, she showed herself honest and fiscally responsible. She's now the governor of a state which, to many practical purposes, may almost as well be an independent nation, surrounded as it is by foreign nations, and doing a damned good job of it by all accounts. Meanwhile, Barack Obama has three terms in the Illinois Senate (two of them partial) and one in the US Senate, in none of which he managed to distinguish himself enough to really appear on the radar screen until he decided to run for President.

So what's your point exactly...?
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 01:33 am (UTC)
She sounds like a standard covert creationist to me (http://scienceblogs.com/afarensis/2006/10/27/intelligent_design_and_the_ala/). Palin is strongly anti-abortion, and only makes an exception on abortion for the life of the woman -- excluding even rape and incest. (The info was on the blog of the Alaska chapter of Schlafly's Eagle Forum and have been taken down, but was still in Google's cache.) As for the size and borders of Alaska, oh come on already. You are talking about a state with less than 20% of the population of Boston and a peaceful open border with Canada. The state legislature is in session for three months out of the year. On the other hand, Obama has been known as someone to watch for some time; he just wasn't known to you. A presidential campaign is a chaotic national organization, working under time pressure, hard to organize, lead, and finance. Obama put it together and made it work. I think that takes at least as much executive competence as being governor of a state where the legislature meets three months out of the year.
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 02:10 am (UTC)
The other major border is with Russia.
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 04:26 am (UTC)
Flash! Siberia attacks Alaska. Film at...
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 10:10 pm (UTC)
About 2.5 - 3 years back, I read some research about human attitudes involving matters of opinion (Like politics, religion or some sciences.) It turn out then when someone has made up their mind on an issue, further facts are selected to reinforce their decision. Any contrary facts are discounted, justified away or just plain ignored.
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 12:25 am (UTC)
My opinion is that she is more qualified than McCain, or the entire Democrat ticket. She has executive experience. Legislative experience is about finding common ground and working together. Executive experience is about revealing a path in a way that others want to go there. There is a solid reason that most of our presidents are past governors of states. (As a leader, it is impossible to make everyone happy.)
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 12:43 am (UTC)
Seconded. And imagine the possibilities of a woman in the White House who'd actually try to clean out some of the deadwood and corruption from the Federal government....
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 02:17 am (UTC)
She actually sound too smart to try. Idealists seldom do well as president for the first couple of years. The party institutions are very well established in government, with supporters everywhere. It would be impossible to function as an executive if you waged a determined campaign against deadwood. I know Reagan was marginally successful, but he had that "Aw Shucks" manner, and was a very good communicator/leader. He was able to take his case directly to the voter, and it worked, for a while.

Man/Woman president really does not matter much to me. As long as they are competent, and tough enough to keep the country out front.
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 10:17 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't say she's all that qualified. She's a former beauty pageant queen and smalltown TV sports girl, who played her looks to get herself into politics. Alaskans seem to think she's over her head already (http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/what-is-mccain-thinking-one-alaskans-perspective/), as the executive of a state with only 3/4 the population of the city of Boston.
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 10:41 pm (UTC)
My statement is: She has more executive government experience than any presidential candidate, or Biden. That skill set is distinctly different than what is needed for legislative experience. I have not addressed qualifications.

I fail to see why a beautiful woman cannot be intelligent or effective in government. (Or computers. Like you.)

Being a state governor is about far more than simple population. I can't say it is not a factor, but it is not a major factor. Governors need to lead.

Not everyone will agree (or like) the decisions of the governor. Anyone can blog (or editorialize) about what is happening from their perspective. From my perspective, there is far too much internet blogging and editorial writing, and not nearly enough reporting from a news source that I could trust. I can only form opinion based on objective facts. There are too few of those on the net that are uncolored by political bias for me to begin to form an opinion on the person directly. My impressions will form over the next month or so. My mind is far from made up. (I can't bring myself to vote for McCain, and Biden poisons the well for any chance of support to that camp.)
Sunday, August 31st, 2008 03:27 pm (UTC)
Sure, beauty does not cancel out intelligence or effectiveness.

But Pageant Beauty -- and by that I mean precisely what I say, achieving and maintaining the kind of appearance that's prized by beauty pageants -- takes up an enormous amount of time. Time that cannot be spent on education or gaining diverse experiences.

Waxing hair, applying make-up just so, getting the nails done, facials, etc., all take a lot of time even for women who are not trying to achieve Pageant Beauty standards. Heck, I had a simple pedicure this weekend and it took over an hour. But to get that air-brushed look without the actual air-brushes, you have got to spend a significant chunk of time Every Single Day. (Not to mention the time it takes to exercise and maintain a girlish figure after five pregnancies.)

Even that "simple bun" hairstyle she was wearing at the press conference probably took more time than you can imagine, to get the appearance of volume and to get it to look non-stiff and yet to stay that way!

And this is a "traditional values" woman with five children, including one with special needs. How much time does she have, realistically, to learn? To travel?

Ask Crunch if she'd be able to go to school right now if she spent as much time on her appearance as is necessary to maintain Pageant Beauty standards.
Sunday, August 31st, 2008 08:54 pm (UTC)
Crunch can go to school right now because I have chosen, for my own reasons, to spend my full time efforts to make it possible.

Bob Dole used to take almost two hours to get dressed in the morning. Sure, it cut into his sleep, but I have not heard him criticized for not spending enough time doing his elected job. (For his values in that job, sure.) Like writing a physics paper, it takes the time it takes, and you need to get other things done. Call it a personal failing, but I just can't buy that spending time on yourself means that you can't learn something else well.

I also think that practice makes that kind of look much faster to achieve.

I find it vaguely disquieting that her "traditional values" (whatever that means) are used as an excuse to discount her contributions, or ability to serve in office. I would counter that "traditional values" to me implies the integrity that she will devote the time she needs to do the job she says she can do.

My ballet instructor took five days off to have her sixth child. Perhaps not quite the same situation, she owned a business.

Like I said, I have not made up my mind on Palin. I want to hear more objective reporting on what she actually accomplished as Mayor, and then as Governor. The raw facts, and her popularity, that I have heard so far speak well of her ability to lead and be effective. Even the detracting sources tend to agree in the basic facts. I want more context. I generally do not follow Alaska politics.

The real issue in the race for president, is who is running for the strangely shaped office. The VP stuff is just a sideshow. I think McCain is at a disadvantage. Every time he opens his mouth or appears on TV, increases his disadvantage. Definitely not the Republicans finest hour.
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 11:53 pm (UTC)
Alaskans seem to think she's over her head already, as the executive of a state with only 3/4 the population of the city of Boston.
I believe what you mean there is, "At least one Alaskan seems to think she's over her head already". The woman is successfully leading a Republican-Democrat coalition, and has a voter approval rating over 90%. In a nation as politically divided and marginalized as this one is, that's the next best thing to walking on water handing out loaves and fishes.
Sunday, August 31st, 2008 03:13 pm (UTC)
She went into office with a voter approval rating of 90%, winning on an "anyone but the incumbent" platform.

Her approval ratings were considerably lower last week! (They've popped back up again over the last couple of days, as Alaskans are full of pride over one of their own being on the ticket -- I've heard as high as 68% approval for her now.)
Sunday, August 31st, 2008 09:10 pm (UTC)
I have not been able to find a place that reports her state ratings below the upper seventies.

Given the rating of King George (or congress) those numbers are still fantastical. Running on the "Anyone But the Incumbent" produced Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, and (I think) Abe Lincoln. So our results are somewhat mixed.

Palin has always seemed to ended up falling in the clover for her political career. I think things will be a lot tougher from here on out. It will be instructive how she reacts.
Sunday, August 31st, 2008 12:49 am (UTC)
It's an attractive theory that executive experience counts for more, but facts don't support it. Lyndon Johnson, one of our more effective presidents, never held executive office, unless you count his years as vice-president under John F. Kennedy. Same goes for Richard Nixon, who (much as I detested him) achieved some remarkable things. Jimmy Carter, one of our least effective, was governor of Georgia. George W. Bush was governor of Texas, and there I rest my case.
Sunday, August 31st, 2008 01:16 am (UTC)
My case is that there is a difference between demonstrated leadership, and potential leadership. Palin has a track record as a leader. The others do not. It is difficult to judge someone on skills that they have never used before. What each person is potentially capable of is not the point I was trying to make. What I am saying is that Palin has done it. The others have not. The blogs and editorial pages are too full of scandal and opinion for me to form an opinion of what Palin has actually done in office. The people she serves seem to like her, alot, and she seems to be fairly straight and forthcoming. (All the blogs point out that she produced the tapes showing a staffer applying pressure. I don't think they were mandated at that point in time.) That is about all I know.
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 12:28 am (UTC)
I think this is a woman to watch. I think she's going to go places.

I don't know if I find her exhilerating or tremendously frightening. A bit of both, I think. She's a populist muckraker, but she's also anti-abortion, and with some of the excesses seen by others of the religious right. And her environmental record is ... well, she's an Alaskan global warming denier. If I could pick and choose mix-and-match traits and beliefs, damn, I'd be in her camp.
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 04:12 am (UTC)
Bah. I see McCain & Co. putting up a little window dressing to attract disgruntled Hillary Clinton fanatics and the religious right. Governor Palin obviously has more on the ball than your average politician, but I suspect that she was picked mostly for her gender and her religious-right opinions -- both of which, plus a dollar, will almost buy you a cup of coffee where I live.
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 04:24 am (UTC)
Honestly, I think anyone who seriously thinks Palin was chosen in an attempt to get disgruntled Hillary zealots to leave the fold is deluding themselves. I'm betting anyone who's a fanatical enough Hillary follower to refuse to vote for Obama, after Hillary publicly threw her support behind him and asked her followers to vote for him, isn't about to jump ship from the party altogether and vote for McCain just because McCain picked a woman for the VP position on the card. It's just not plausible.
Sunday, August 31st, 2008 01:04 am (UTC)
"Not plausible" -- the argument of incredulity -- is especially weak applied to voters. To me it makes absolutely no sense to vote for Clinton in the primary and McCain in the general election, but people are loudly promising to do so. For those who are thinking of doing so but haven't decided yet, a female VP would be attractive -- at least in theory, and I admit I'm theorizing about the thinking of McCain and his advisers, whose minds I know as well as I do the back side of the moon.

A similar calculus applies to Palin's religious-right qualities. The religious right has always had trouble with McCain; a religious-right running mate would sweeten the pill for at least some of them.

And of course (as the mainstream media have pointed out) picking someone whose name elicits a universal "Who????" is a good way to reinforce one's reputation as a maverick.
Sunday, August 31st, 2008 01:32 am (UTC)
You have valid points there. (Including "never underestimate the irrationality of the electorate".)
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 05:09 am (UTC)
Wow, how fantastically insulting.
Sunday, August 31st, 2008 01:21 am (UTC)
Let me use this as an occasion to clarify something I meant to say in my first comment: the Vice Presidency is traditionally nothing. Not with Dick Cheney, true, but Cheney's an exception. VP's are selected to "balance" the ticket and generally disappear into obscurity immediately after the election. Governor Palin fits perfectly into that pattern. When I say that she was picked for her relative youth, gender, and social conservatism, I'm only calling it as I see it. If she has qualities other than those that distinguish her from the hundreds of other politicians McCain had to choose from, tell me about them, I'm all ears.
Sunday, August 31st, 2008 01:33 am (UTC)
Well, there aren't all that many Republican governors, and she has sort of made a particular name for herself in being willing to gut members of her own party for corruption, as well as some high-profile actions that hint strongly at fiscal conservatism. (It may be overshadowed in the end by other things, but selling the Governor's jet on Ebay her first month in office is pretty swank.)

As for youth and conservatism, well, yeah. I agree.

I apologize for my tone, I had just gotten really sick of people implying that the only qualification she had that led to her selection was two X chromosomes. I read your comment in the worst of all possible lights, but that's my fault, not yours.
Sunday, August 31st, 2008 02:27 am (UTC)
I had just gotten really sick of people implying that the only qualification she had that led to her selection was two X chromosomes.
I'm getting pretty damn tired of that assumption myself.
Saturday, August 30th, 2008 10:17 pm (UTC)
VPs are selected to shore up perceived weaknesses in campaign rhetoric. Perhaps there is some further political calculus involved, but it is always a purely political decision. (It is also usually meaningless.) Whatever the reason, Palin is a canny choice, and a good one. I am not sure it will make a difference.