Tuesday, October 10th, 2006 09:40 am

I want to find a good chiropractor in Southern New Hampshire.  Specifically, I want to find a chiropractor like the two GOOD ones I knew in San Jose, California.  A chiropractor who isn't into all the new-age holistic stuff, won't try to glue magnets to my back or sell me energized water, doesn't think that conventional medicine is "death medicine" and that vaccinations are deadly, won't lie to me about X-rays when I can see perfectly clearly he's drawing lines between two different sets of reference points to try to show a result that isn't true, won't try to treat my back pain by giving me electric shocks in my earlobe, and won't try to tell me that wearing a ball cap weighted with 6lb of lead will make my vision sharper.  I just want a chiropractor who knows the spine and skeleton, knows his drop table, and isn't afraid to use it.  Preferably, one who won't get bent out of shape when I say "Look, I know exactly what the problem is, I just can't treat it myself."

Anyone have any recommendations or referrals...?

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Tuesday, October 10th, 2006 06:21 pm (UTC)
I think that's in there with "Perpetual Motion" as "impossible".

Every chiro I know ends up somewhere down that path, for whatever reason. I've about decided that chiro is more psychosomatic than really effective - and the real effectiveness comes at the hands of the Massage Therapists and heat/shock machines they employ to relax muscles...

But, having said that, probably your best bet will be to find a local DO, rather than MD - they get basic Chiro in their training. The one I've been to wouldn't practice himself, since he didn't do it enough, but he did know of chiros he recommended that weren't new-agie hippies.

If you're not familiar with Osteopathy: Basically, an outgrowth of what also turned out homeopathy, but one that realised that, well, those concepts *didn't work*. So, they turned back to "conventional medicine". But with some "alternative" (Chiro) stuff in as well.

The biggest difference with the DO I've been to and the MDs (and I hear a similar report from others) - DO's are quick to ask about diet, exercise, and the like, not just as a checkbox, but as a preventive/curative procedure. My DO showed me several stretching techniques, for instance, when I had back pain, rather than the muscle relaxers the MD was quick to write a 'script for.

So, I'd say, find a OD - if they don't do the chiro themselves, betcha they'll know someone who does, either a "full" chiro, or maybe another OD.
Tuesday, October 10th, 2006 07:08 pm (UTC)
If you ever get out to San Jose, California look up Todd Bragg.

He made house calls for established patients with a spring loaded device that tweaked alignment just enough so the person could get out of bed and to his office and the drop table.

Never once did he push anything other than exercise, healthy eating, and getting a massage before you got chiropractic treatment.
Tuesday, October 10th, 2006 08:17 pm (UTC)
His policy is that he'll make house calls for established patients only, and only in emergencies. At the time, I wasn't a patient of his (and didn't even know him, actually). However, [livejournal.com profile] wolfspaw was a client of his both as a DC and as a personal trainer, and explained the situation and persuaded him to make an exception for a "future established patient".

I can't say the activator was very pleasant -- it was rather like being repeatedly hit on the corner of the sacrum with a small hammer -- but two weeks of four house calls a week got me mobile enough to make it in to his office and onto his drop table.
Tuesday, October 10th, 2006 09:00 pm (UTC)
One of my good friends is now a Chiro - known him since 1st grade, with some signifigant gaps since then, but then met back up with him in college (when he was pre-med).

Now he's drunk heavily of the (non-homeopathically-diluted) Kool-Aide, and is very dismissive of doctors. So I give him a very hard time. :)

Your example (and I'll take your word for it, not going to be in the SJ area anytime soon) might be the one who "proves the case", as the non-logical statement goes... Certainly all the others I've known, as common-sensed and grounded as they were, got very mystic at times. The one who treated my spinal/neck issues was fine when I talked to her (The mentor of my friend, actually), but she had posters and pamphets in her waiting room about curing cancer and AIDS....
Tuesday, October 10th, 2006 10:23 pm (UTC)
the one who "proves the case", as the non-logical statement goes...
It's not logical because it's one of the most widely misquoted and misunderstood of all common English sayings.

People talk blithely about "the exception that proves the rule", but it is actually and correctly "the exception that puts the rule to the test of proof".  In other words, not "Here's an exception; the rule must be true" but rather, "Here's an exception that appears to refute your rule; can you show that it in fact does not?"
Wednesday, October 11th, 2006 02:00 am (UTC)
'"Quod si exceptio facit ne liceat, ubi non sit exceptum." ... Cicero said, if you prohibit something in certain cases, you imply that the rest of the time it's permitted.' (http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_201.html)

If this explanation is to be believed, the saying is a legal thing and thus has little to do with logic.
Wednesday, October 11th, 2006 02:22 am (UTC)
I think this is a case of dragging in an apparently-related saying which doesn't, in point of fact, actually have direct bearing on the original subject of discussion. I notice, though, that in Cecil's discussion of this divergence into Cicero, he does eventually come back to the idea that the underlying concept is "the exception tests the rule".

The Cicero "Quod si exceptio..." quotation is really something almost entirely separate from this concept -- it's not saying that finding an exception either proves or tests (or disproves) a rule, it's saying that in the field of law, explicitly declaring exceptions to a rule strongly implies that the rule applies in all cases but the enumerated exceptions. Which isn't the same thing at all.
Tuesday, October 10th, 2006 08:09 pm (UTC)
probably your best bet will be to find a local DO, rather than MD
That's a very interesting comment, since I've been meaning to switch my GP from the current one at Nashua Medical Group, twenty miles away in South Nashua, to one of the GPs at the Dartmouth Hitchcock Merrimack Family Practice Center, three miles down the road. One of the three physicians there that I'd been considering as likely candidates is, indeed, a DO.
Tuesday, October 10th, 2006 09:04 pm (UTC)
Well, I've certainly been sold by my experience.

Now, granted, it was a small town, by a DO just starting his practice, himself, and a administrative person, so he did all the "nurse" work, had 2-3 appointments a day, so plenty of time to see you whenever, and talk, and he was very personable, and very good.

The doctor I went to yesterday (MD) was very good, as well, being also, just out of school.. maybe it's just something about being out of school and not losing the soul yet. :) Nurse Fiancee said we'd go see him, that he was good, and just opening up, and sure enough, most of his day was available.

But the DO should have the training to at least know what you'll need, and hopefully, have some contacts in the chiro community. Heck, call up the office, and see if they might have a recommendation for a DC.
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Tuesday, October 10th, 2006 07:30 pm (UTC)
I am too far out of it to keep up with schools anymore, but you want a graduate of a school that emphasizes Gonstead. Only one I know anymore is still Logan, in St. Louis. That branch of Chiropractic covers OT, PT, and Massage, in addition to skeletal manipulation.

Funny how people keep pushing for the "newest thing" in medicine, at the expense of what works.
Wednesday, October 11th, 2006 12:37 am (UTC)
No recommendations. However, I'm looking for the same type of chiro...the type described at http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chirochoose.html.

Can you give -me- your recommendations?
Wednesday, October 11th, 2006 01:52 am (UTC)
Todd Bragg (http://www.sanjose.com/bragg-todd-dc-b144922) at Bragg Chiropractic, in San Jose. Best chiropractor I've ever known. See the comments above. :) There were times after Splat Day I hobbled into his office on crutches, and walked out carrying them. I shit you not.
Wednesday, October 11th, 2006 01:55 am (UTC)
Oh, forgot to say ... second choice would be, well, Sean something, over on the east side of San Jose, was just off 680 when I was there in 1992.... may not still be there. You could try looking in the phone book for DCs named Sean [mumble] in that area.
Wednesday, October 11th, 2006 05:40 pm (UTC)
What about Doc Wong? If I remember right he prescribed sports bike riding to help keep your back in shape.
Wednesday, October 11th, 2006 05:56 pm (UTC)
Well, that's the upside. The downside is Doc Wong and his staff are heavily into scientology, and won't treat you without a contract that ties you into all kinds of the expected stuff.
Wednesday, October 11th, 2006 08:43 pm (UTC)
I like Harry, but he's precisely the type of "holistic" chiro I want to avoid.
Wednesday, October 11th, 2006 02:06 am (UTC)
If you're ever in Central Texas, I can heartily recommend Michelle Moore. She did wonders on my back and hip after they got torqued out of line earlier this year.
Sunday, October 15th, 2006 07:45 pm (UTC)
never havin been to a chiropractor myself, i wish ya luck!