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Sunday, March 11th, 2007 07:57 pm

All appearances are that after about 12 years of faithful service, my trusty LaserJet 4M Plus (with duplexer) has finally succumbed to old age.  It's been throwing increasingly frequent random MIO errors for several weeks now, and today it finally croaked in the middle of a print job with a 79 Service (06FF) error code which persisted across at least four power-cycles (and which will not clear), accompanied by anomalous metallic clanking sounds from the duplexer.  (I don't know whether the clanking sounds represent a mechanical failure or the blown formatter board trying to do unreasonable and improbable things with the duplexer hardware, nor do I know — if the latter is the case — whether this has damaged the duplexer mechanically.)

I've managed to locate exactly three replacement formatter boards, all used, all of varying ages, for prices ranging as high as $260 ... but it looks like I can assemble myself a LaserJet 4500DN with a 500-sheet feeder for about $150 plus shipping.  If so, that would replace both the LaserJet 4M Plus and the DeskJet 2500CM, which has been a passive-aggressive royal pain in the ass ever since we got it.

(I didn't find out until after we'd spent $300 on the printer and supplies for it that the individual we got it from had not tested it, and had only the verbal assurance of the person HE got it from that it worked.  Had I known that beforehand, I wouldn't have bought it from him.  I won't mention any names, I'll just say that most members of the Rescue list won't ask money for anything that they haven't personally verified as working, and if offering something that is not fully working, they'll say so up front.)

If anyone else we know has any other suggestions for a printer we should consider, I'd like to hear them.  We pretty much require laser technology (inkjets are just too damned slow to be useful for more than the occasional page), and duplexing (since we do book-on-demand printing).  Color would be a big plus, and if it's color, 11x17 capability would also be a big plus.  (If it's not color, large-format doesn't matter, letter-size is fine.)  A proper envelope feeder would be a nice bonus, but isn't essential.

The last condition is what makes it hard — we're on a tight budget, so it needs to be relatively inexpensive to buy and operate.  Used is OK, as long as it works.

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Monday, March 12th, 2007 12:34 am (UTC)
Do you need postscript support?

If not, look at the Brother desktop laser printers. They're cheap (like $75 cheap), and speak PCL. No duplexing at that price.

If that won't cover you, the Laserjet 4500DN sounds like a good bet. I've put a few of those in service, and they've lasted quite well. I would STRONGLY avoid any of the recent desktop-sized HP printers. They've gone down the toilet, and I'm going to hold on to my Laserjet 5MP as long as I can.

Color in a laser printer is going to be expensive. Large-format color EXTREMELY expensive. If you want to do 11x17 color, your best bet is probably an older wide-carriage color inkjet printer. One that's _not_ a Deskjet 2500CM. I have nightmares thinking about that printer... *shudder*.
The one thing to remember about the inkjets is that you must print _something_ on them about once a week, or the inks clog/dry out. I've been down that road, and it ain't pretty.

In summary: Go for a letter-sized laser printer for day-to-day stuff. Look at a larger inkjet if/when you need color printing.
Monday, March 12th, 2007 12:51 am (UTC)
PostScript isn't an absolute requirement, but would definitely be a big factor. I absolutely hear you about recent HP desptop printers. It's not HP any more, it's just some sort of undead revenant loosely wrapped in the name. Carly Fiorina and her predecessor, whose name I forget, destroyed HP in the name of "saving" it. (Most people who knew HP would contend that the only "saving" it needed was to sell off the personal-computer division and its paper-thin margins... but to Wall Street, selling personal computers was Teh Sexay.)

The thing about color is, we don't use a lot of it. And certainly we'd be doing very little large-format color printing. But when we did do large-format color, it'd need to look good, because it'd most likely be prints of my paintings, intended for sale. I've yet to see an inkjet printer, except a dedicated photo printer, that doesn't show visible banding even at "best" quality.
Monday, March 12th, 2007 04:13 am (UTC)
Gah, and I through out a 4M+ that wouldn't clear a paper feed error (bad sensor) 1.3 years ago. :(

I recently got a Xerox 6120 color laser. No duplexing without extra attachment (which is way too much money), and my color needs aren't demanding, so can't speak to it's quality for artwork. However, I got the printer for $260 shipped. Duplexers look to start at $350 by a quick froogle check.

Sorry I can't be more help.
Monday, March 12th, 2007 11:26 am (UTC)
That's worth looking into. I'll check it out.
Monday, March 12th, 2007 08:41 am (UTC)
So, what's the dividing line? I really, really heart my 1200--by far the most reliable printer I've ever owned--but I've been kicking around getting a color printer, myself. I'm just not sure if I need a color laser, per se--thinking maybe I want to keep the 1200 in service and buy an ink jet photo printer.
Monday, March 12th, 2007 11:25 am (UTC)
Well, we're informed that the 4500 is very reliable, and does a pretty good job of photos, especially with laser photo paper. We're also told it predates the chip-in-the-cartridge nonsense, which started with the 4100. So assembling a LaserJet 4500DN seems to be the way to go ... it's merely a question of the budget for it. It'll enable retiring both the now-broken LaserJet 4M+ and the unreliable-from-the-start Deskjet 2500CM. It won't do large-format printing ... but what very little of that we actually need, I can always send out. And it'll do everything else we need, in a single printer.
Monday, March 12th, 2007 12:00 pm (UTC)
I've yet to see an inkjet printer, except a dedicated photo printer, that doesn't show visible banding even at "best" quality.

You haven't been looking at them lately, then.

My last two printers, both bottom-of-the-barrel Epsons, have been quite competent when it comes to photo printing. I've had a couple people look at the pictures on my desk at the office and wonder how much it cost to have 'em blown up like that. And those pictures were printed from GIMP on my garbage $75 Stylus 66.

Now, Stephen's photo printer (Epson R400) looks even better, but my cheap-ass Stylus 66 is competent. No banding. Take a look at some of the modern inkjets-- they've gotten fivefold better in print quality in the past 5 years.

Of course, the other part of your comment is dead-on. I used to work for HP. I'm talking about my Epson printers...

Monday, March 12th, 2007 12:15 pm (UTC)
Well, that's true, we haven't really looked at what's on the market right now. I can see possibly picking up an inkjet photo printer as a dedicated photo printer and for no other purpose, but with the slow speed, limited paper handling, and lack of duplex capability in 90% of inkjets on the market, it wouldn't meet our other printing needs.
Monday, March 12th, 2007 01:40 am (UTC)
I've got three HP Laserjet 4 printers in the basement (I think that one is a 4M, or something like that). If you think that the parts from them would help you out, and you can cover shipping, they're yours.

Two catches:

1) I have no idea how functional they might be. They worked once, but it's been years.
2) I suspect it would be pricey to ship, but if there are any #c folks passing through, we might be able to arrange a transfer chain to get them to you. Shadowcat has some expertise in that area.
Monday, March 12th, 2007 01:51 am (UTC)
Well, HOPEFULLY, the 4M Plus could be returned to service with a new formatter board ... but it'd have to be a formatter board from a 4 Plus or 4M Plus, not a 4 or 4M. The good news is that as far as I know (leaving aside for now the question of possible damage to the duplexer), the formatter board is the only part I'd need to cannibalize.
Monday, March 12th, 2007 02:22 am (UTC)
I just checked. I have two 4s and one 4m. No pluses of any kind. Sorry.

I can tell you that my personal printer is a Samsung ML-1740. I needed laser and buggerall else, so I got the cheapest I could. Until recently is was not well supported under Linux, but it's decent now. Only problem is that I've run out of toner, so I get to decide if it's worth putting new toner into, or if it makes sense to get a better printer.
Monday, March 12th, 2007 03:38 am (UTC)
Well, thanks for trying. The thought is much appreciated.