Naturalization forms

[unixronin]

Q:  Do you support the Constitution and form of government of the United States?

Reaction every time I see this question: "Yes, but it's a shame the government doesn't."

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[suzilem.livejournal.com]

1. "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."

2. “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”

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[unixronin.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I remember that. :p

On the one hand, it's never been actually confirmed, or any corroboration cited. And if Bush screams in frustration in meetings, it's a side of him that's never been visible ... and you'd think it would have been before now, if true. The description does invoke skepticism.

On the other, I suppose it probably wouldn't be corroborated, would it? Rove's spinmeisters would undoubtedly make sure any actual records got destroyed if possible, because even if Bush is an idiot, Rove's smart enough to realize how damaging such an outburst would be if verified. And if any names were mentioned, it'd probably be the end of the named witness's career.

The gripping hand is, there's so much partisan mudslinging going on in Washington DC these days, how the hell do you ever know to believe anyone about anything?

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[koyote.livejournal.com]

Partisan politics is simultaneously one of the biggest propoganda lies and one of the biggest problems in government and reporting today.

*any* criticism by anyone not-republican of *anything* is labelled partisan mudslinging. (which is in itself the bbiggest example of real partisan mudslinging)


Bush has on several occasion showed his disregard for the Constitution. It's pretty observable.

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[unixronin.livejournal.com]

Bush has on several occasion showed his disregard for the Constitution. It's pretty observable.

Haven't they all? I'm just a little hesitant to believe they're ready yet to be quite that blatant. On the other hand, if it can be corroborated and documented, I want to know why we're not impeaching the bastard yet for openly violating the duties and responsibilities (not to mention the oath) of his office.

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[7leaguebootdisk.livejournal.com]

He (well, the AG, but the AG is the president's lawer) has repeatedly argued that the Bush can detain American citizens arested on American soil as long as he wants without charges or any other sort of due process, and torture them. So yes, I'd say he's violated his oath.

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[unixronin.livejournal.com]

Not to mention fighting wars he hasn't the authority to declare, and ... well.... choir, preach, yadda yadda.

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[7leaguebootdisk.livejournal.com]

http://harpers.org/TheCaseForImpeachment.html

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[unixronin.livejournal.com]

Interesting reading, indeed, and very clearly set out.

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[7leaguebootdisk.livejournal.com]

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/ has some good analysis of things too.

This country needs for Bush to be shot, after a fair trial. Though I kind of like the idea of him being chassed down by a mob like the Albanian dictator.

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[unixronin.livejournal.com]

In counterpoint, radarrider just pointed at this (http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=20&artnum=1&issue=20060224).

I find myself asking, "Why did they wait until now to release them?" And a not particularly small, rather cynical voice replies, "It probably took them until now to convincingly fabricate the tapes."

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[7leaguebootdisk.livejournal.com]

Well, I never had a doubt that he wanted them, and that as soon as he had a chance he would start up his programs again. Also note that every repulican guard division thought it was another division that had the WMDs, though in fact none had them. Iraq was the same mess of lies that the USSR devolved into, so just because people said things in his office doesn't mean they happend.

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[unixronin.livejournal.com]

"There are no American troops in Baghdad! Never!"

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[7leaguebootdisk.livejournal.com]

I have wondered why he hasn't been making TV commercials here. He's free, and on some Arabic networks.

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[batchfile.livejournal.com]

"The gripping hand is, there's so much partisan mudslinging going on in Washington DC these days, how the hell do you ever know to believe anyone about anything?"

that is the one thing i hate about politics. i even avoided voting in several elections due to this dilemma. i did vote in the last one though because i finally figured out that since my vote doesn't count, the least i could do is make it not count in a way that might make folks notice. well, one day they'll notice. i voted third party.
but the day the third party actually has a chance to win i don't know what i'll do.

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[unixronin.livejournal.com]

i voted third party.
but the day the third party actually has a chance to win i don't know what i'll do.

I'm hoping the day that happens, I've got my citizenship and can add my vote. Assuming the third party you had in mind is Libertarian.

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[batchfile.livejournal.com]

yes sir. very libertarian.

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[olafthunderfoot.livejournal.com]

we voted for Badnarik last presidential election!

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[anda.livejournal.com]

yeah, I vote third-party for much the same reason.

Many peopl I know whine about how voting for a third-party just wastes a vote, since they can't possibly win, but that they -might- vote for one -if- they might actually win.

Not, of course, realizing that, if they all just sucked it up and voted for a third party, those odds might change.

So I vote third party in the futile effort to boost numbers of votes, hoping to encourage them to join me.

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[unixronin.livejournal.com]

Exactly. I fail to understand why supposedly-intelligent, supposedly-educated people are too stupid to see that "I'm not voting for them because they don't have any chance of winning" is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
As I've observed before, the Repudemoblicrats -- or Repulsocrats, I like that -- can stay in power FOREVER just so long as they can keep 51% of the electorate voting for the lesser of two evils. I don't fucking care how much you [not you, that's a rhetorical "you"] justify and rationalize your maintenance of the rotten status quo by saying you're voting for the lesser evil to keep the greater evil out; it's time to admit that if you voted for the lesser evil, YOU VOTED FOR EVIL.

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[7leaguebootdisk.livejournal.com]

It is usually obvious if your vote has a hope of making a difference. President being the obvious one, only if you live in a swing state is there any chance it will matter at all, and even then, it is extremely unlikely. The smaller the race, the less acurate the polling, so I can see not being the knee jerk Libertarian that I usually am.

I see elections as the ultimate public opinion poll, and that is why voting your heart is the right choice, it isn't a horse race, you don't get money because you voted for the winner.

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[richspk.livejournal.com]

I may get bitter if a third party candidate gets votes that *could* have meant victory for my favorite candidate, but I'll never fault anyone for voting for their favorite candidate. It's a hell of a lot better than not voting at all!