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Sunday, January 31st, 2010 08:20 am (UTC)
I have begun to doubt that the science journals are any more accurate than Wikipedia. I have heard that science changes one funeral at a time. I know that there has always been politics in science. But the stuff we are getting fed as factual is getting further and further from the raw data. I remember my father telling me that he ended up doing some of his physics labs with a slide rule in college. Apparently, that is the norm for researchers also. That and very small samples to form statistically insignificant conclusions.

It seems that laws and sausages are not the only things it is best not to observe being made.
Friday, January 29th, 2010 08:16 pm (UTC)
I think it should be noted that Dr. Wakefield did not create the panic, nor is the panic necessarily false. All they have done is prove conclusively that he went against medical orthodoxy, and accepted payment for his research from someone with an agenda.

Neither is bad. Medical Orthodoxy has for years paid MD's to publish "research" that suited their agenda, even when it was done with inadequate controls or obvious bias. And, in this case, I tend to be very suspicious of the medical establishment, as most of the studies they publish (re: safety of treatments that have been accused of causing autism) were paid for by the pharmaceutical companies who make the meds.
Saturday, January 30th, 2010 03:17 am (UTC)
The problem with conspiracy theory is that it cuts both ways. Why be suspicious of the "medical establishment," but not of the Dr. Wakefield's of the world?

This is precisely why duplication of results is the gold standard for establishing/disproving scientific theories. Wakefield's results have not been duplicated in wider studies.
Saturday, January 30th, 2010 04:04 am (UTC)
I never said I wasn't suspicious of Dr. Wakefield - I just felt that since [livejournal.com profile] unixronin's post was already antago to Dr. Wakefield it wasn't necessary to push that point. My only point was to show that the skepticism [livejournal.com profile] unixronin was heaping on Dr. Wakefield could be leveled equally on the medical establishment, and for the same reasons. That does not imply defense of Dr. Wakefield.
Saturday, January 30th, 2010 04:16 am (UTC)
You did write "in this case, I tend to be very suspicious of the medical establishment, ..."

So I was wondering why you weren't as suspicious of Wakefield, but perhaps I misinterpreted your comments.
Saturday, January 30th, 2010 04:29 am (UTC)
That's ok, perhaps I could have been more clear. But then we wouldn't have gotten to have this conversation!
Sunday, January 31st, 2010 12:19 am (UTC)

nor is the panic necessarily false

That is, fortunately, not the standard we use for credible scientific research. It is not necessarily false that the entire cosmos sprang into existence five minutes ago, with everything in such perfect order as to create an illusion of history. However, the total lack of evidence to support such a view means that this view, while not necessarily false, is hardly within the heartland of scientific thinking. A physicist who promulgated this view as anything more than a thought experiment would rightly be decried for operating outside of the heartland of physics.

The same applies to Dr. Wakefield.

Friday, January 29th, 2010 10:36 pm (UTC)
Ok, is it just me or does Dr. Wakefield look like Q from Star Trek?
Friday, January 29th, 2010 11:01 pm (UTC)
He does indeed look like John DeLancie.