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Saturday, December 6th, 2008 10:22 pm

In the interview in the January 2009 issue of Discover Magazine, Stanford's Professor Robert Proctor (who teaches the history of science) submits creationists' rejection of the Piltdown hoax as an example of good science coming from a strong, although incorrect, ideology.  I submit that he is flatly wrong in, at the least, his choice of example.

Yes, creationists rejected the Piltdown skull as a fraud.  They also rejected, and continue to reject, every other piece of data and scientific theory that contradicts their dogma that the Universe was created in seven days by divine fiat six thousand and twelve years ago.  The mere fact that in the Piltdown case, they happened by sheer luck to be right that it was a fraud, doesn't make their rejection good science; in fact, it doesn't make it any kind of science at all, because their denial was based on dogma, not on scientific method.  Their judgement on the Piltdown skull was made not for scientific, or even non-scientific reasons, but for actively anti-scientific reasons.  It contradicted their dogma, and their dogma was by their definition unquestionably right, therefore the Piltdown skull was automatically and necessarily a fraud.  It was not the "missing link" because, to them, no missing link could possibly exist.

Being right by sheer blind chance, one time in a hundred, for totally the wrong reasons, can't be good science — because it isn't science in the first place.

Sunday, December 7th, 2008 03:44 pm (UTC)
We don't use creeds at all. Neither as stepping stones or stumbling blocks. Reason can, and should, be applied to beliefs. I can take or leave tradition. Just because we have always done it, is not a valid reason to continue doing it. (Neither is doing it because it is new.) Here, multiple viewpoints can help clarify goals and impacts. Scripture should allow G-d room to speak symbolically, with room to apply instruction and teaching to ourselves. (I have real problems applying G-d's instructions to others, it creates a huge mess of bad feeling, and I won't go near the restriction of liberty.) I'll shut up now. People have tendencies. Not all religion is opposed to science, or social progress.