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Thursday, November 13th, 2008 04:15 pm

With the popular vote in the just-past election so close, one could be forgiven for wondering how much the election may have been influenced by what amounts to an elaborate practical joke.

Of course, the article points out that the perpetrators observed that the news media could easily have exposed their hoax had they put the least effort into checking their facts.  But in this last election, by all appearances the media didn't WANT to check their facts, as long as the report involved something damaging to the McCain-Palin campaign.  Can you imagine the witch-hunt had Eitan Gorlin and Dan Mirvish chosen Barack Obama as their target?  Ah, but wait, we don't have to imagine — we have the persecution of Joe the Plumber as an example.

When I consider how one-sided the reporting of this past election campaign was, and yet how close the popular vote was, I find it hard to avoid speculating that in this Presidential election, the people of the United States did not elect Barack Obama; the news media did.

Sunday, November 16th, 2008 04:52 am (UTC)
I'll just add that you made the case for WSJ and Fox being liberal, which again wasn't very convincing. And National Review is certainly mainstream, just like The Nation is on the liberal side.

I know you never said that you are fitting the same facts to your preconception, but I realize now that that's precisely what you are doing. I hoped to be enlightened, but you have not delivered.

Your conspiracy theory is not believable, because the same facts fit the boring theory much better; any additional "facts" you offer is just tilting at windmills. It's like claiming that imaginary pink unicorns got Obama elected, and then complaining that the MSM failed to investigate it.

If you have any real evidence that the MSM failed to do their due diligence, please let me know. Just to be fair, I'll give you two examples of new data that would change my mind:

* An adult Obama is on videotape attending a mosque or praying Muslim-style for a non-political event.

* Biden is shown at a senate committee meeting with the proceedings flying over the head, or gives an interview showing the same.

Mind you, McCain has actively courted the Religious Right in public, and Palin already bombed the interview with Charlie Gibson.

Until then, all you have to offer is paranoia.
Sunday, November 16th, 2008 05:29 am (UTC)
Until then, all you have to offer is paranoia.

You really need to look up "projection".

Your conspiracy theory is not believable,

I've posited no conspiracy theory. Just as I've not said the other strawmen you've credited to me

because the same facts

Remembering that you've declared off limits the facts that don't fit your admittedly uninformed initial "conclusion";

fit the boring theory much better;

per your classification. I reject it, as I reject your dishonest classification that I have a "conspiracy theory". I believe in no conspiracy.

Let's especially remember that you're rejecting all the information you admit you didn't know when you made your decision. And now it's irrelevant, wrong, or in some other way not sufficient to change your initial opinion. On anything. Despite all the things mentioned, your "beliefs" are still paramount. Unchanged. Unchallenged.

Of course, when you reject all that could possibly challenge your preconceived notions..

I hoped to be enlightened

I don't know if that's honest or not, but,

but you have not delivered.

Even Mohammed had to go to the mountain.
Sunday, November 16th, 2008 06:00 am (UTC)
I'm not a political junkie, and I don't have time to verify every fact. We do this all the time in our lives -- e.g., we don't go to medical school, we seek doctors who seem to know what they're talking about.

I was hoping you would show me why the MSM can't be trusted in this regard vis-a-vis Obama, but I remain unconvinced. I have given you my standard of evidence, which is no different from that for the criticism leveled at the Republicans.

This being said, I appreciate the time you have spent here.