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Sunday, December 16th, 2012 06:49 pm

In 1974, Palestinian terrorists launched an attack into Israel which culminated in them taking more than 115 hostages in the Netiv Meir elementary school, 105 of them children.  They then proceeded to issue demands for the release of 23 terrorists being held by Israel, or they would kill the hostages.  When elements of the Golani Brigade stormed the building, the terrorists did indeed try to kill all of their hostages, using grenades and automatic weapons.  The siege ended with 25 hostages dead (22 of them children), and 68 injured.

This is not greatly dissimilar to the numbers of dead and injured in Sandy Hook, CT.

What have we, in the US, done in response to school shootings?

We have declared our schools to be "gun free zones", thus guaranteeing that our schools and their students are defenceless in the face of an attack.

Has this worked?

Don't look to me to tell you. Open any newspaper, turn on any news channel, and you tell me whether it's worked.

What did the Israelis do in response to Ma'alot?

Israel instituted a program in which volunteer school personnel, parents, and grandparents received special training from the civil guard, and were seeded throughout the schools armed with concealed 9mm semiautomatic pistols.

Since then, there has not been one successful mass murder at an Israeli school.  NOT.  ONE.  Every single attempt has been very rapidly ended by the armed defenders placed in the schools, with minimal injuries among the innocent.

Think about it.  Then tell me which approach to preventing massacres in schools makes more sense.

I'll wait.

(Footnote:  The worst incident which I am aware of at any Israeli educational facility since 1974 is the shooting at the Mercaz Harav, a private yeshiva or seminary in Jerusalem, in 2008.  There were initially no armed responders in the facility when the attack began; the first armed responder, a captain in the IDF, entered the building six minutes after the first call for help, and he and a part-time student were engaging the attacker with gunfire three minutes after that.  Despite firing an estimated 500-600 rounds of ammunition from an AKM rifle, the Palestinian attacker succeeded in killing only eight students, with 11 more wounded.  The yeshiva was not a public school and was not covered by the program previously mentioned.)

Monday, December 17th, 2012 04:54 am (UTC)
i would have taken them up on that offer, back when i worked in the school. there's a disturbing helplessness to being locked down with a room full of kids and trying to figure out what in the science lab storage room i could use to take someone out.
a more reliable form of defense would have greatly improved my capacity to fill the "in loco parentis" responsibilities...
Monday, December 17th, 2012 02:20 pm (UTC)
After the school shooting in NE, I got a newsletter from OathKeepers.org (I subscribe to it) that contained the following:

The Federal Government is Guilty Accomplice in School Shooting in Newtown Connecticut (via OathKeepers . org)

There has been a horrendous mass shooting at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. At this time, 27 people are reported dead, most of them children.

This shooting is yet another tragic example of the failed, grotesque insistence on helpless victim zones where any crazed gunman can be assured of a large number of disarmed, undefended, helpless victims, all crammed into one place, where he can kill many children before an armed defender arrives from elsewhere. It is disturbing and sick that the federal government so hates the right of the American people to bear arms, and so hates their natural right to self defense, that the government insists on making them helpless, disarmed victims for anyone who cares to kill them. And in this case, all of the teachers and staff were willfully disarmed by the Federal Government, by force of law and threat of #prison, to ensure that they would be disarmed and incapable of saving the lives of the children entrusted to their care.

That makes the Federal Government complicit in the deaths of these children, and in fact an accessory to their mass murder, by forcibly disarming (with the very real threat of prison) all the teachers, all the staff, and any parent who may have been on school property. That stupid law guaranteed the shooters would meet no immediate armed resistance, which is exactly what is needed to stop such an attack.

In such a shooting (as in every criminal attack), seconds count, and the people best positioned to stop the attack are the people on the scene - the intended victims and/or their care-takers. In this case, that would mean the teachers and staff of the school, and also the parents, who should have the ability to save the lives of their own children as they take them to and from school.
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After I got that, I reposted it as a comment to every Yahoo! News story about the shooting that was released for the next 2 days. Based on comments, I'd say there were a few people who actually thought about it and came around, but most people are already committed to whichever side they are on, and won't budge. Sort of like Congress.